I have to say I’m desperately fond of Bones chasing Jim through the ship jabbing him with hypos, and Jim shrieking “stop it!!!” at him. Makes me laugh and laugh. Their entire relationship, encapsulated in that running thread.
You know, I wasn’t entirely sure because I think MI III sucked. But this was just delightful.
My favourite scenes would probably every bit of screen time involving Pine, Urban, Quinto and Pegg. Ah hell, they were all good. I loved that it was full of fan reference material as well as paving the way for a whole new reinvented Trek.
Yeah. They nailed it, perfectly. A perfect blend of scriptwriters who know classic Trek, with a director who didn’t and so could come at the story from a new angle.
Enterprise broke my Trekfan heart. It was produced by two people who should’ve known better than to stay with a project that no longer held any meaning for them. Worse, they were people who were developing a prequel to classic Trek who hated classic Trek. I can’t begin to wrap my brain around that. So they pissed all over canon because they didn’t care. And they wrote really really bad stories, created mostly boring characters, because they didn’t care. It could have been so wonderful, it was squandered.
The respect and genuine care and affection shown classic Trek in this film is amazing. If you’re not a fan, it still makes sense. But if you are a fan, and you’re familiar with classic Trek episodes, the constant callbacks and inferences and acknowledgements are amazing. Even the whole Spock/Uhura thing has a basis in classic Trek. They noticed that and they nudged it in a different direction and it is absolutely truthful to the original timeline.
You know the other thing I loved? The fact that if young Kirk hadn’t met old Spock, chances are he and young Spock would never have connected. But because Old Spock told him, you must know him, you are important to each other and for each other and for the greater good, he adjusted his attitude and that wonderful connection was made. Really, really lovely. And the fact that the mind meld told him everything he needed to know about Spock’s true nature, so he was able to do what had to be done while knowing important things that informed his attitude. Fabulous.
Sista, I hear ya! I stopped watching Enterprise cos it broke my Trek loving heart too. That and the awful power ballad at the start of every episode…
I would rather young Kirk and Spock became buddies without the intervention of old Spock. It made sense for the movie timeframe, but the my enemy becomes my friend, unity through diversity over time thing has more resonance with me.
Well, if they had a season to tell it in instead a couple of hours … *G*
But what I like about this story choice was that it played into the audience’s knowledge of how things are Meant To Be. We know these two men are supposed to be the ultimate bromance. We know they were destined to be two halves of a whole, with Bones as the glue. And thanks to Nero, that was never going to happen. Of all the things Nero changed, that had the power to be the most devastating because of all the things those two did in their time together on the Enterprise. So the only way to set at least that much right was for old Spock to step in and say — no, it’s this way, it has to be this way. And for whatever reason, young Jim accepted it. I think he saw more than the Nero backstory in that mind meld. I think he went back to Enterprise and young Spock knowing exactly – on a gut, emotional level — what he had to save. Because of the mind meld he knew exactly what to say that would break Spock so he could do what had to be done to save the Federation. And so in that moment, in that time, it had to be as brutal and butchery as what we got. I still think it’s what you were after, only the Reader’s Digest version. *g*
It’s an odd one, isn’t it? I think I first saw it used with reference to House — House and Wilson’s friendship. I wonder why it took so long for someone to coin a specific term to describe the male/male friendship as depicted in popular visual fiction. I know it’s a storytelling element I’ve always enjoyed — I just wish there was an established female equivalent. Because it is a bit tragic and misogynistic to think that the idea of women’s friendship is so inherently tedious that nobody would want to tell a story about it. Sigh.
Gwynne liked the bit where Scotty told the alien to “get down from there!”. Jakob’s favourite bit was when Kirk (around a Romulun stranglehold) says “I got your gun.” Mine was the same as yours – all of it! Or possibly anything with Scotty…
Pegg just needed to be in it more, not introducing him until the half-way point was a crime against, well, me. That, and a few rampaging plot holes, were my only qualms. I thought it was rather good apart from that.
OTOH, I absolutely adored the idea of Scotty as the mad scientist exiled to a basement somewhere across the galaxy after one of his theories didn’t quite work. Suddenly he’s a *character*, with a background and things he wants, not just an exercise in James Doohan being entertaining!
Waiting with baited breath to see it (boy was grounded over the weekend, we stopped us going then – DAMN HIM!)
For a chuckle, check this out: http://likeithateit.net/?p=2139
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Oh, ain’t he just?????
It sublimely rocks.
What’s your favourite part?
all of it!
I have to say I’m desperately fond of Bones chasing Jim through the ship jabbing him with hypos, and Jim shrieking “stop it!!!” at him. Makes me laugh and laugh. Their entire relationship, encapsulated in that running thread.
You know, I wasn’t entirely sure because I think MI III sucked. But this was just delightful.
My favourite scenes would probably every bit of screen time involving Pine, Urban, Quinto and Pegg. Ah hell, they were all good. I loved that it was full of fan reference material as well as paving the way for a whole new reinvented Trek.
Yeah. They nailed it, perfectly. A perfect blend of scriptwriters who know classic Trek, with a director who didn’t and so could come at the story from a new angle.
and man, did it need a new angle…
Enterprise broke my Trekfan heart. It was produced by two people who should’ve known better than to stay with a project that no longer held any meaning for them. Worse, they were people who were developing a prequel to classic Trek who hated classic Trek. I can’t begin to wrap my brain around that. So they pissed all over canon because they didn’t care. And they wrote really really bad stories, created mostly boring characters, because they didn’t care. It could have been so wonderful, it was squandered.
The respect and genuine care and affection shown classic Trek in this film is amazing. If you’re not a fan, it still makes sense. But if you are a fan, and you’re familiar with classic Trek episodes, the constant callbacks and inferences and acknowledgements are amazing. Even the whole Spock/Uhura thing has a basis in classic Trek. They noticed that and they nudged it in a different direction and it is absolutely truthful to the original timeline.
You know the other thing I loved? The fact that if young Kirk hadn’t met old Spock, chances are he and young Spock would never have connected. But because Old Spock told him, you must know him, you are important to each other and for each other and for the greater good, he adjusted his attitude and that wonderful connection was made. Really, really lovely. And the fact that the mind meld told him everything he needed to know about Spock’s true nature, so he was able to do what had to be done while knowing important things that informed his attitude. Fabulous.
Can you tell I really liked it? *g*
Sista, I hear ya! I stopped watching Enterprise cos it broke my Trek loving heart too. That and the awful power ballad at the start of every episode…
I would rather young Kirk and Spock became buddies without the intervention of old Spock. It made sense for the movie timeframe, but the my enemy becomes my friend, unity through diversity over time thing has more resonance with me.
Well, if they had a season to tell it in instead a couple of hours … *G*
But what I like about this story choice was that it played into the audience’s knowledge of how things are Meant To Be. We know these two men are supposed to be the ultimate bromance. We know they were destined to be two halves of a whole, with Bones as the glue. And thanks to Nero, that was never going to happen. Of all the things Nero changed, that had the power to be the most devastating because of all the things those two did in their time together on the Enterprise. So the only way to set at least that much right was for old Spock to step in and say — no, it’s this way, it has to be this way. And for whatever reason, young Jim accepted it. I think he saw more than the Nero backstory in that mind meld. I think he went back to Enterprise and young Spock knowing exactly – on a gut, emotional level — what he had to save. Because of the mind meld he knew exactly what to say that would break Spock so he could do what had to be done to save the Federation. And so in that moment, in that time, it had to be as brutal and butchery as what we got. I still think it’s what you were after, only the Reader’s Digest version. *g*
you know, I made it through 43 years without ever reading the word ‘bromance’ and then yesterday it comes up twice in the space of an hour!
It’s an odd one, isn’t it? I think I first saw it used with reference to House — House and Wilson’s friendship. I wonder why it took so long for someone to coin a specific term to describe the male/male friendship as depicted in popular visual fiction. I know it’s a storytelling element I’ve always enjoyed — I just wish there was an established female equivalent. Because it is a bit tragic and misogynistic to think that the idea of women’s friendship is so inherently tedious that nobody would want to tell a story about it. Sigh.
more than a bit tragic!!! I guess it relates to the Bechdel test:
http://likeithateit.net/?p=370
Curse you for showing me such a fabulous article/link to great website!!!!!
Likeithateit is my favourite site. Check it daily — there’s always something good posted.
Arrgghh! Like I need another one … *g*
yeah, I know what you mean…
And yet you did to me anyway.Curse you Red Baron!
did you see the Mr T mothers day song? FUNNY!!!
Gwynne liked the bit where Scotty told the alien to “get down from there!”. Jakob’s favourite bit was when Kirk (around a Romulun stranglehold) says “I got your gun.” Mine was the same as yours – all of it! Or possibly anything with Scotty…
what an innovative bit of casting – Pegg as Scotty. I reckon that started as a joke across the dinner table until somebody said… no… wait!
Pegg just needed to be in it more, not introducing him until the half-way point was a crime against, well, me. That, and a few rampaging plot holes, were my only qualms. I thought it was rather good apart from that.
OTOH, I absolutely adored the idea of Scotty as the mad scientist exiled to a basement somewhere across the galaxy after one of his theories didn’t quite work. Suddenly he’s a *character*, with a background and things he wants, not just an exercise in James Doohan being entertaining!
Totally agree that Pegg was WASTED coming in so late! I was hanging out for him 🙂
Waiting with baited breath to see it (boy was grounded over the weekend, we stopped us going then – DAMN HIM!)
For a chuckle, check this out:
http://likeithateit.net/?p=2139
seen it! I read that site every day without fail!