04 Dec 2009, Posted by Cat in News, 30 Comments. Tagged

a writerly connundrum


Something that’s popped a few times recently when I’ve been critiquing stories… I’ll read the piece and say something along the lines of ‘X isn’t a very interesting storyline, what about Y and Z instead? (Y and Z being extrapolated from the author’s own work), ‘ to which the writer will respond ‘well that’s all very fine and dandy, but Y and Z is not the story I’m trying to tell — my story is all about X’

Somewhere along my own personal writerly development timeline I came to the conclusion that the point of the game was to tell the best/most interesting story possible and if my own original idea had to get chucked out with the bathwater it was a small price to pay. Whenever a story of mine bounces back from potential publishers a few times, I go back in and see if I can enhance it. Make it more interesting. I don’t just tighten and polish the language, I tighten and polish the idea itself.

What do you think?


30 Comments

December 3, 2009 11:46 pm

callistra

I’ve spent a bit of time thinking about this sort of thing, and Carol pointed out that reading a novel is kind of like a dialogue, and we need to isten to the readers to be able to please them. If some thing/item/thread is of interest, we work to bring it out more, and I see that it’s the same for characters as well.

So I think that if Character B is more interesting/has a better story/whatevs, then it’s up to me to be flexible enough to work with that, and make the whole text better.

December 3, 2009 11:46 pm

mikandra

agree with you 100%.

I hear the ‘that’s not the story I’m trying to tell’ line quite a bit.

I’ve reacted to calls from other writers who were asking why a particular story isn’t selling, suggested alternatives I could see for the storyline, only to find that they only wanted to polish the words and not change the storyline. Words matter less than idea, and as far as I’m concerned, if a writer isn’t willing to adapt an idea that keeps being rejected, then maybe the story doesn’t deserve to be sold.

December 04 2009 00:21 am

kateorman

they only wanted to polish the words and not change the storyline


I think as you write more and more over the years, your perspective zooms out. You start by correcting spelling mistakes and you end by making enormous changes to your plot.


I've just remembered an Infinitas writers' circle in which I very cheekily suggested to someone (I cannot for the life of me remember who it was, now) that she redo her fantasy epic without The Prophecy, and, rather than defending this major thread of her storyline, she was completely willing to consider it. Either that, or she was just humouring the idiot in the corner, but in either case I was PWNT. Respect is due.

December 4, 2009 2:58 am

jblum

I’ve generally been able to see both sides of it — there are some major changes I’m willing to consider, but then there are some suggestions which would fundamentally change the point of why I’m doing the story, which end up in the “nuh” file. Cause even if it might be more interesting for some readers, I need to keep my own interest up enough, or I’ll never finish the wretched thing!

December 04 2009 03:00 am

Cat

Geez, if I had to actually remain *interested* in every one of my writing projects through till the bitter end... I'd never finish anything!

December 4, 2009 3:38 am

jack_ryder

I think we’ve already had this conversation.

The play we’re currently writing now, was initially based on Facebook. Now there’s little, if any, reference to it.

“Kill your darlings” as someone once said.

December 04 2009 03:40 am

Cat

I always thought 'kill your darlings' related to characters

December 4, 2009 5:46 am

alanbaxter

Hmmm, I resemble your remark!

I’m slowly learning that a cull means more than just words, but ideas, characters and all the rest. In some cases it’s probably down to the writer to find that new angle or idea. I know my issue can be a desire to write my own ideas. No matter how good an idea from a critique might be, I’d like to sell a story based on my own ideas AND writing, not just writing someone else’s ideas well. So perhaps the trick in critique is to point out that a story isn’t working and maybe flesh out why without suggesting a better idea… just keep saying no till the writer comes up with a better idea on their own! Geez, we’re a precious lot after all.

*slinks away, feeling spanked*

December 04 2009 05:48 am

Cat

just keep saying no till the writer comes up with a better idea on their own!


... or till the writer understands that there's no such thing as an original idea. Greg Egan stories excepted...

December 4, 2009 6:14 am

girliejones

*sigh*

This is the main reason that we just reject at TPP with “a no thank you” rather than engaging in feedback that might lead to a story that we might buy,

In general, in my experience, when I give feedback to a writer and they tell me that’s all nice and good but not the story they want to tell, I politely smile and walk away. It’s not the story I want to buy.

The harsh honest truth is, most people can’t write, most people can’t write well and most people are boring and can’t see themselves from the outside looking in. The really successful writers I have worked with take on feedback and are able to step away from the preciousness of the little words that they put on the page in the little order that they originally composed them. The difference I guess between writing what you want, the way you want it written and making a sale and perhaps a career out of the gig.

December 04 2009 06:15 am

Cat

Yeah, I had pretty much the same experience with Agog. The pro writers never quibbled.

December 4, 2009 12:04 pm

tallaudrey

I hear ya, sister.

December 4, 2009 10:22 pm

kylaw

Oh dear, this is going to sound weird. But, without meaning to get all akashic, it’s not *my* story, I’m *its* writer! As I noted in one of my progress posts for the second draft, of the three seed ideas for “Necromance”, the concepts that really got the project started, not one remains in the text (I mourn the giant squid). The story grows and matures, taking its own path. External comments are definitely a part of this, but more in the way of – digestion? Assimilation? Anyway, after a two hour session with one of my invaluable beta readers on Wednesday, the *next* book has restructured itself almost completely – part his thoughts, part my own, mostly spontaneous. I just recorded the process!

December 04 2009 22:25 pm

Cat

makes sense to me. Although I too mourn the loss of a giant squid.

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